Dear Fellow Citizens,
I am writing to ask what you are doing to ensure that this November’s election will be a fair and secure one. I am deeply concerned with reports that the US Postal Service is being defunded, with carriers prevented from doing their jobs as in the past, many senior officials being fired, and sorting machines and post office boxes being removed in advance of the election. Our president has admitted that this is an attempt to prevent citizens from voting by mail. This despite the fact that the president himself votes by mail! In addition to this problem, funds for electoral security are being held up in the Senate. I find it unimaginable that anyone would oppose funding for electoral security after the events of the 2016 election. I am imploring you to do all you can to make sure that the upcoming election is protected from being undermined or stolen. The future of our democracy is at stake- any outcome other than a clear, transparent, universally accepted one will certainly perpetuate dirty dealings in elections to come.
Henry Washburn
New Sharon
Yes this is very simple.? Go to your town and vote on Election Day. Should be very fair that way!!!
Make it simple and keep America great!
Every voting place should have 2 or 3 reps from each political party (simply citizens from the town) present from the end of voting time through to the counting of ballots.
Henry, for at least the last 5 years any correspondence that I needed delivered on a timely fashion I’ve used UPS or FedEx. This includes my 2016 presidential election. It’s been a long time since I have depended on the USPS so their troubles started long before these recent events. Do you believe opening the check book will guarantee that all mailed ballots will arrive on time. If you believe that a business run by the federal government is the best and most efficient I have some nice ocean front property in Illinois I’d like to sell you.
Mr. Washburn mail in voting is quite different than absentee voting. It has been reported that other states that have already tried and it proves my point. The postal service has been near bankrupt for quite some time hence why stamps keep increasing in price. Dr. Fauci has said as long as safety guidelines are taken there is no reason we can’t vote at the booth. You can request an absentee ballot and follow the rules to obtain said ballot not like mail in where it is mass mailers with zero proof of who or how many times people vote. There is no reason to do this kind of hogwash during an election. Feel free to loom hp the issues other states have had recently in their primary elections.
Absentee voting is one thing, 100 million or more people voting by mail is another nor are they the same thing. In order to obtain an absentee ballot you have to be active military stationed elsewhere. Or be a citizen and have a damn good reason for requesting a ballot. But some states however, just sent every citizen a ballot automatically, surely any thinking person can see the president’s concern with “mail in voting” and shutting down the USPS after they ignored requests by the DOJ to not process those ballots. Trump is trying to protect the integrity of the election, if taking apart the postal service gets that done, then so be it.
BTW I will be voting in person to assure my vote is counted and counted correctly and not thrown in the trash by some disgruntled postal worker. I also bring my ID with me.
Henry says,
“The future of our democracy is at stake- any outcome other than a clear, transparent, universally accepted one will certainly perpetuate dirty dealings in elections to come.”.
(Do you have “extra” meds you forgot to take??).
I mean,,,”universally” accepted???
Now Martians get to vote too!!
Ok,, I give!
AL GORE IS THE PRESIDENT!!
(hillary,,,nah!!).
Everything Is Beautiful.
If you shop at Walmart then you can vote in person.
Hrlss Bstrd, You may want to re-educate yourself on voting rights in the state of Maine..
https://www.maine.gov/sos/cec/elec/voter-info/right.html
Mail in voting does not create fraud. Some states have been doing ONLY mail in voting for years, and they have systems in place that make it very safe. I think we see a President who knows he’s heading towards defeat and he wants to have an excuse. I don’t think he’ll try to keep power – he’s a weak man, at base, which limits how dangerous he can be. But he’ll claim it wasn’t fair so he can save face because that’s what really matters to him
As for the post office – it is a constitutionally mandated service. If Biden and the Democrats win, they should fully fund the post office and pass provisions assuring they can handle election service. That will make this problem go away forever (and looking at public reaction, Trump’s shenanigans here are helping the Democrats).
I admit that I have a problem. I like to read the posts on the Bulldog😃. I get a kick out of some of the
Comments here. But what scares the hell out of me is that Scott Erb is a professor at our college. This
Man is sooooooooo far to the left and he is sooooooooo out of touch with reality, it is truly scary!! He
Shouldn’t be teaching young minds. He calls those of us who have a different opinion or perspective names
Like foolish, idiotic and a host of other insulting words. I wonder if he allows any free thinking in his classes.
Just a few months ago a republican legislature was caught manipulating mail in votes in an election.
There have been examples of voter fraud during the years, but it is not reported much in the media. New
York City had local primary elections about a month ago and it was done with mail in voting and no one
Knew who won for almost 3 weeks. The election officials in those New York primaries tossed out over 20%
of the votes because there were errors/omissions, etc. That was tens of thousands of votes thrown out
For one reason or another. The postmaster in Nevada told the state legislature that a 100% mail in vote for
Their state would be risky because there were over 200,000 folks who no longer live at the addresses listed
On the state voter registry. That means 200,000 ballots mailed to someone other than the intended target.
That means a possibility that 200,000 votes could be fraudulent. California has used mail in votes for
Elections for years and the citizens there often report excess ballots laying around in piles in low income
Public housing communities and large apartment complexes. These are easily picked up, filled out, and
Mailed in to be counted. Who would ever know?? During the 2018 elections in California, some of the Republicans (11) won their seat in the California legislature or US legislature on the day of the election,
but during the next few weeks ballots kept trickling in thru the USPS. Their state attorney general ruled
That all those votes must be counted, even though they were late. Two weeks later, every single Republican affected by those late ballots lost! Every one! How is it possible that all 11 lost because of those late mail
In ballots? But our own Scott Erb claims mail in voting has no fraud. This is just the latest example of his
hard left political views. Scott, I would recommend that you quit teaching college and go to work for the Democrats National Committee or some other left wing organization. That is where you belong. Our
College students deserve better. Just an opinion from a concerned business man (person…in political
correct English)
Maine voter, Did I mention Maine specifically, no. California for example, automatically mailed a ballot to every voter on the list, a person who was last registered to vote in California in 1999 received a mail in ballot from California, they have been living in and registered to vote in Texas since 2000. In Feb of last year, North Carolina had to throw out an entire election because of mail in ballot fraud.
I listed a couple of the reasons for requesting a ballot, nothing more. People requesting a ballot is one thing, auto mailing a ballot with no address verification, or voter ID is another.
The chances of fraud in an election that doesn’t require real ID, is ripe for abuse. Absentee ballots require ID via town office and a verifiable signature. With An estimated 27M illegals living in our country and collecting services, everyone should want a secure election process. Ask yourself, what’s the chain of custody on a mass mailing ballot? There is none. Anybody can fill them out, as many as they can round up. Your dead relatives will be coming back to life early. .President Trump is dead right on this one. The scam factor is just a little to high to trust this shaky a system right before an election. Vote in person or get an absentee ballot. If you can riot and protest, you can vote in person.
Scott the postal service looses a lot of money yearly. It is highly substantial not as much as oil but very high. The biggest problem with usps is no one uses it like they used too. They use online services for banking and email. Most everything I get in my mailbox is trash these days. As for mail in voting can you name which states only do that ? Absentee has always been used but has restrictions involved. General ballots being sent is abad idea as there is no proof of who has sent one in and still shows up at the polls.
If going shopping with a mask on or anyplace else we can surely go to the the polls in November.
Mike,
In regard college employees expressing the expected liberal views. Read some of the uncensored student comments specifically Concerning employee Erb. The common theme seems to support that of a “no show class”, not much going on. Nothing of any substance was referenced. Category would be, boring but easy courses with a few often repeated jokes. These are real paying students, telling it like it’s. I guess in the education instructor bubble you get what you pay for. I’d be curious to see how the Courses and the instructors would stand up to a real world performance audit. Don’t expect too much from UMF. Not only don’t they pay property taxes in town but the also don’t care for what the host communities might think.
Creating Lawless Chaos.
Get rid of Orange Satan,,, by any means.
“This” is Derangement Non Thinking.
Throw in the way the Dems, Progressives and Socialists are calling the Violence a “Myth” (Jerry Nadler) or just dismissing it as “this is what change looks like” and we have Bloodthirsty Anarchists smiling as the Police are Defunded.
And we have many organizations and people who would never admit,, they are ok with this if it gets rid of Orange Satan.
“ANY” group or individual who denies this reality is an accomplice.
Fighting racism with more racism,
Fighting fascism with more fascism ,,
Fighting Violence with more Violence,,
LIVE BY IT,
DIE BY IT.
No Thanks.
Everything Is Beautiful.
I lived in a state that had only mail in. In 2004 the governor’s race was very close. 2 counts gave the republican Candidate the lead. Still a 3rd count was done, but low and behold 30,000 ballots were found in a trunk of one of the ballot collectors car. Supposedly from a ballot box. And we had a Democratic governor. We’re those ballots accidently overlooked or just conveniently appeared? (Seems to me that would be hard to forget about that many ballots in your trunk). I say go to the polls or do absentee ballot, no all mail. It’s to easy to have fraud in mail in only. In this state it has happened more then once on other lower offices.
Mike, you think I’m “sooooo” left. I’m pretty moderate – indeed, I was a Republican earlier, worked for a Republican Senator in Washington DC, and was at the 1980 convention in Detroit that nominated Ronald Reagan. I am a firm believer in individual liberty and limited government, reasons I was once a Republican. If I were in Europe I’d probably be considered rather conservative. Here in the US the GOP has moved far right, and with Trump it’s embraced a racist rhetoric and white identity politics that is dangerous. His immature tweets, denial of reality and constant lies – well, it’s no surprise that on the first night of the Democratic convention John Kasich and other Republican moderates were endorsing Joe Biden (who has always been seen as a right of center Democrat).
I suspect in retrospect Trump will be seen has having been a gift to the Democrats, giving them a huge victory in 2018 and likely again in 2020. Then the GOP will reject Trumpism and get back to its basics – individual liberty, limited government, and a belief in equal opportunity. Because Trump is definitely not conservative, and he’s definitely in denial of traditional Republican ideals. Also, he’s just so weak and insecure – even if someone I totally agreed with had the job with such a lack of personal character and integrity I’d oppose them.
I firmly believe that democracy requires disagreement. At UMF we model that in all political science courses by encouraging friendly and open discussion, with the idea that disagreement is good – we need diverse views for democracy to work – and that people who think differently than oneself are good to have. Alas, I fear our political culture right now is short on that kind of attribute, but I suspect it will come back.
Mike D, perfectly stated. Mr college professor and school board member who thinks he has all the answers. Wonder what he thought when Obama was removing mailboxes without going through proper procedures. I seem to recall Scott telling us that we should research when questioning something? Is that only when you’re questioning what Republicans are doing, or both parties?
Mail fraud has existed in the past and will continue into the future in spite of what Scott tells us. Voting in person with an ID will be great for both parties.
A lot of misinformation in these comments. I have gotten an absentee ballot by stating “I won’t be around to vote and want an absentee ballot” and the town office has either sent it to me or I picked it up. Mail in – trump and melanoma have done that so guess they’re not too scared of fraud. A drop off box would be nice. Or one can vote soon, right? Mail in can be hand delivered.
I have a question for “Been There.” In that 2004 election, what state was that? I searched online for the story but couldn’t find anything.
Ozerki is the winner of the Bulldog’s weekly limbo contest: How low can you go?
Listen carefully. Absentee is NOT mail-in. Absentee is asked for, mail-in is not. Mail-in is from a voter list that may have been purged 10 years ago or earlier. It may contain people who have moved away, perhaps to a cemetery. But that wouldn’t matter to Democrats who have depended on dead people for several decades.
I’ll try for next week’s contest. How many will vote for Sleepy based on his choice of “Heels up” Harris?
So people don’t fall for the scare tactics that somehow mail in voting is dangerous:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-vote-by-mail-explainer/explainer-fraud-is-rare-in-us-mail-in-voting-here-are-the-methods-that-prevent-it-idUSKBN2482SA
Follow facts, not conspiracy theories!
Ozerki mass mailing is completely different than absentee. Mass mailing sends a ballot to every registered voter unlike requesting an absentee ballot. VOTE IN PERSON. Like I said Fauci has said that voting in person IS NOT DANGEROUS!!!! Wear you mask and stay away from others by 6 feet !!! It’s not rocket science not that much science is involved when all you do is eat, sleep and breath the MSM.
@Scott Erb
I’ll surely be voting IN PERSON so my vote is counted. I seem to think that defeat will the outcome. I highly doubt it that will be the case.
Trump hasn’t had the ability to do his job at full capacity because people are extremely intimidated by his goals for our country. Democrats and liberals need to back off. Trump will win this election without a doubt.
@ Scott Erb
* correction
Not I…YOU seem to…
Stop perpetuating a myth!
“Fact check: Mailing ballots to dead people not leading to voter fraud, experts and studies say”
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/07/14/fact-check-mailing-ballots-dead-people-not-leading-voter-fraud/3214074001/
The Reuters article linked by Scott Erb above also equates mail-in ballot with absentee ballot. It’s as if some people willfully ignore the difference. But that must be my natural cynicism.
Frostproof – absentee ballots are mail in ballots. You can have mail in ballots you request, or you can have some states simply send everyone ballots. They are ALL mail in ballots. The effort to try to pretend absentee ballots aren’t mail in ballots is a laughable result of the Administration trying to explain away how Trump votes mail in all the time. Absentee ballots and mail in ballots are essentially the same.
Here is an article that goes into more detail: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/8/18/21373478/absentee-ballot-vote-by-mail-voting?fbclid=IwAR2RuKcUTbkz6AChLamNVlZ2WMX-w8iPe1qMvcHE-etuPgZBLTPgfrFARUE
Hypocrisy.
President Donald Trump and first lady Melania Trump have voted in Florida’s Tuesday congressional primary after designating someone to pick up and drop off their ballots in Palm Beach, an official familiar with the matter told CNN.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/18/politics/donald-trump-melania-trump-ballots-florida/index.html
I’m increasingly concerned that people can post “facts” without a shred of corroborating information. I always used to trust that people wouldn’t fabricate stories. Sadly I have to accept that some will say anything to advance their positions. Please check out the post by “Been There, Done That.” See if you can find any story about 30,000 ballots in the trunk of a clerk’s car in a 2004 contested election. Maybe I didn’t look hard enough, so I’d be happy to be proven wrong.
@ Scott Erb. Of course both kinds of ballots are mailed in. The difference, repeatedly stated in simple English, is: An absentee ballot is requested by a voter; the other kind is not requested.
Let’s use a term better than mail-in. How about mail out ballot? A voting district mails these out to anyone on a list of registered voters. The list may even be up to date; but it usually is not, with folks who have moved away or are deceased. The USPS, God bless ‘em, tries to do what’s right but, inevitably, some are lost into dumpsters or just piled up in apartment house mail rooms, waiting for unscrupulous types to harvest them, fill them in, and mail them back, cancelling my vote and perhaps even yours.
All this is compounded by biased places like Reuters and VOX (really?) trying as hard as they can to prove that the Bad Orange Man is trying to take away our precious absentee voting.
@ Do as I … And CNN. Again, really? The hypocrisy is on full display right here by those who seem desperate to conflate these two forms of remote voting.
It’s never useful to cast doubt on an outcome just because your side lost.
“Late” = postmarked on OR received by the deadline on Election Day.
Please note: All ballot signatures must be checked against Registrar records in each county.
S.F. Chronicle -Nov. 30, 2018 Updated: Nov. 30, 2018 8:55 a.m.
California’s late votes broke big for Democrats. Here’s why GOP was surprised
“California Democrats took advantage of seemingly minor changes in a 2016 [state] law to score their stunningly successful midterm election results, providing a target for GOP unhappiness that is tinged with a bit of admiration. Some Republicans have cast a skeptical eye on Democrats’ use of “ballot harvesting” to boost their support. The idea’s backers say it’s just one of several steps California has taken to enable more people to vote. Few people noticed when Gov. Jerry Brown signed the changes in AB1921 into law two years ago. In the past, California allowed only relatives or people living in the same household to drop off mail ballots for another voter. The new law allowed anyone, even a paid political campaign worker, to collect and return ballots — “harvesting” them, in political slang.
The change was strictly a public service, said Assemblywoman Lorena Gonzalez, D-San Diego, author of the bill. The old rules, she said, “simply provide yet another obstacle for individuals attempting to vote.” Republicans didn’t agree, and the measure passed the Legislature on a largely party-line vote.They felt the hit on Nov. 6 — and in the days after, as late-arriving Democratic votes were tabulated and one Republican candidate after another saw leads shrink and then evaporate. This week, a seventh GOP-held congressional seat flipped to the Democrats, leaving Republicans controlling a mere seven of California’s 53 House districts. In Orange County alone, where every House seat went Democratic, “the number of Election Day vote-by-mail drop-offs was unprecedented — over 250,000,” Fred Whitaker, chairman of the county Republican Party, said in a note to supporters. “This is a direct result of ballot harvesting allowed under California law for the first time. That directly caused the switch from being ahead on election night to losing two weeks later.”
Some national Republicans expressed befuddlement with what was happening to their party in California. In an interview with the Washington Post, House Speaker Paul Ryan of Wisconsin called California’s election system “really bizarre” and said he couldn’t even begin to understand what ballot harvesting is.“We were only down 26 seats (nationally) the night of the election and three weeks later, we lost basically every California race,” he said. “Point being, when you have candidates that win the absentee ballot vote, win the day of the vote, and then lose three weeks later because of provisionals, that’s really bizarre.” However, this was no spur-of-the-moment effort by the Democrats, said Shawn Steel, the California GOP’s delegate to the Republican National Committee.“This was not done at the last minute,” he said. “It started the day after Jerry signed” the bill.Rep. Jeff Denham of Turlock (Stanislaus County), one of the House Republicans who saw victory slowly turn to defeat after election day, agreed with Ryan Thursday that California’s count should go more quickly. “Counting ballots two weeks after the vote is something that Californians shouldn’t have to put up with,” he said.But in an earlier interview after it was clear he’d lost, Denham said the GOP had been slow to adapt to changes in California’s election system.“One of the lessons that the GOP needs to learn out of this election cycle is how to work within all of the new rules, same-day voter registration, motor voters,” Denham said. “There have been a lot of changes in laws that I think have caught many in the Republican Party by surprise. You can’t just run a traditional campaign as you did before.”He added, “If one party’s harvesting ballots, both parties need to do it.”
Across the state there were reports of groups collecting ballots and dropping them off at polling places and election offices.“We certainly had that going on here, with people dropping off maybe 100 or 200 ballots,” said Neal Kelley, Orange County’s registrar of voters. “We also had voters calling and asking if it was legitimate for someone to come to their door and ask if they could take their ballot” and deliver it to the polls. For Democrats, the ballot harvesting was all part of a greater effort to get out the vote from their supporters, particularly from occasional voters.“We beat Republicans on the ground, fair and square,” said Katie Merrill, a Democratic consultant deeply involved in November campaigns. “Many of the field plans included (ballot harvesting) as an option to deliver voters or their ballots” to the polls.Those efforts involved identifying voters who might support Democratic candidates and ignoring those who wouldn’t.
In one Orange County household, for example, both the husband and wife were long-time Republicans, said Dale Neugebauer, a veteran Republican consultant. Democratic volunteers came by the house four times, each time asking to speak only with their 18-year-old daughter, a no-party-preference voter, and asking if she wanted them to pick up her signed and completed ballot.That’s a perfect example of the “thorough and disciplined” ground game the Democrats used, said Merrill.“ We were not wasting time talking to people who weren’t going to vote for Democrats,” she said.Many of those harvested ballots arrived in the waning days of the election, adding to the flood of votes that couldn’t be counted on election day. And those late ballots broke heavily for the Democrats.“Absolutely, ballot harvesting played a very significant role,” said Neugebauer, who worked most recently for Orange County Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, another Republican who lost his seat. Democrats had “a huge advantage by executing a plan to gather ballots from voters.”“I have a little bit of professional admiration for how well the Democrats executed their plan,” Neugebauer admitted.While the late vote tally typically favors Democrats, the partisan advantage this year was staggering.”
From away,
I am very careful to get my facts straight when I post something. Of course, I do get my facts from various
News sources (and we all know that some of them can be bogus) so I could make a mistake. Anyhow,
There is a recent case of voter fraud from New Jersey. This happened in June in the Patterson N.J. local
Elections. Four people were charged with voter fraud. And New Jersey is now planning to do state wide
Mail in voting. They will mail ballots to every one. Read the article from the New Jersey Herald dated on
June 30 at njherald.com or simply Google voter fraud in Patterson N.J. and look for the story published in
That local news paper. Seems to me that this is a great example of how easy it is to commit voter fraud.
Can you imagine what a mess we will have if the entire country does this??? Another person posted an
Excellent point. If you can go shopping at Walmart with a face mask and use common sense social
Distancing, then you can surely go out to vote in person on election day. Our president is correct that the
Nation wide mail in voting plan of the Democrats is simply a method to help them win thru ballet harvesting
Or other shady methods.
From Away – that’s the bad part of the information age. People post memes and claims based on their own experience, but often it isn’t their own. While I think using an alias is totally justified (some people – wrongly, in my opinion – refuse to do business with people because of their politics), it does make it easier to post something bogus and not be responsible for it. I’ve talked to people convinced a Youtube video is correct because the “doctor” sounded “so persuasive.” It would be nice to simply trust people, and often one can, but unfortunately there is a lot of disinformation out there.
Ann – I don’t think Trump has any goals for America, he seems pretty inept. I think he’s only in this for himself. I also don’t think he’s a conservative, nor does he reflect Republican party values, at least the kind that have defined the party in the past.
The President is a known liar – over 20,000 lies documented so far – and efforts to claim New Jersey shows mail in voting can’t be trusted is yet another lie. Americans need to say NO to those who would lie and use dishonesty to try to manipulate political results. https://www.nj.com/politics/2020/08/trump-keeps-using-paterson-nj-as-proof-vote-by-mail-will-bring-fraud-not-true-critics-say.html
It’s so disheartening when people repeat lies because it suits them politically. America, we’re better than that! Left or right, Republican or Democrat. Let’s support science and truth!
Remember that Republican ‘debate’ when there were 16 or 17 contenders. The moderator asked: Will any of you not support the chosen candidate? Trump was right in the middle by the luck of the draw. He leaned forward, looked left and then right, and then raised his hand and waved. No one else did, and he won the nomination right then.
You folks have never understood that he is not a Republican.
Are you happy with the Democrat positions of anti-Semitism, violence, and destruction in cities? How do these relate to the values of the party in the past?
Re: “…Nation wide mail in voting plan of the Democrats is simply a method to help them win thru ballet harvesting Or other shady methods.”
Is putting a church congregation on a bus to provide them transportation to the polls for “early voting” a “shady method”? I think not…it facilitates voting.
“Limitations on early and absentee voting
In North Carolina, Republican lawmakers requested data on various voting practices, broken down by race. They then passed laws that restricted voting and registration many ways that disproportionately affected African Americans, including cutting back on early voting.[11][12] In a 2016 appellate court case, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit struck down a law that removed the first week of early voting. The court held that the GOP used the data they gathered to remove the first week of early voting because more African American voters voted during that week, and African American voters were more likely to vote for Democrats.[13] Between 2008 and 2012 in North Carolina, 70% of African American voters voted early.[14] After cuts to early voting, African American turnout in early voting was down by 8.7% (around 66,000 votes) in North Carolina.[15][16]
As of 2020, Georgia requires absentee voters to provide their own postage for their ballots. On April 8, 2020, the ACLU filed a lawsuit challenging this rule, claiming it “is tantamount to a poll tax.”[17]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_suppression_in_the_United_States
Mike D… you said it very well… Thank You…
Beam me up, Scotty.
Mike D… I agreed with your first comment.. but, that disappeared like ‘dust in the wind’… I now say ditto to your more recent comment..
Mr. Erb, the pragmatic processor, just used a post from a left wing reporter, Jonathan D. Salant (NJ.com
Article) to prove his point that conservative people like me are spreading lies and conspiracies!!! I have
Never heard of this reporter, so I googled him and read his life story. He is a life long liberal reporter who
Has written many political articles for the AP, Washington Post, and Huffington Post and Bloomberg news.
This is his evidence that I am spreading lies and conspiracies. Hmmmm, I used the local news paper article
from the Paterson N.J. area. That article has quotes from several state officials, members of both political
Parties, and even the state attorney. And 4 people were arrested. And they were planning a new election to
Fix the “mess”. Everyone in that detailed and well written article stated that the mail in vote was a “mess”
And many of them were concerned that the entire state of New Jersey was planning to follow suit in the
November election. Which source do you believe folks??? Maybe I should be quiet and let Scott prove my
Points for me?
Whoops, should read pragmatic professor….dang computers!!
Frostproof, I can give you other National News sites if you’d prefer. They all say the same thing:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/08/18/vote-mail-president-donald-trumps-ballot-received-palm-beach/5602671002/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-casts-mail-ballot/2020/08/18/2bbbf59e-e189-11ea-8181-606e603bb1c4_story.html
https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2020/08/13/us/ap-us-trump-mail-voting.html?searchResultPosition=2
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-voting-absentee-2020-after-baseless-attacks-mail-in-voting-2020-7
Or if you’d prefer global press coverage:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election/trump-vote-election-absentee-ballot-mail-in-voting-postal-mar-a-lago-a9671251.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-usps-fox-interviews-1.5686095
I corrected a mistake and erased my own comment. Trying again. I used an article from the local Paterson
New Jersey newspaper. It was well written and had quotes from Democrat and Republican officials, several
State officials and the state attorney. Everyone agreed that the universal mail in vote was corrupted and a
“mess”. And they are planning a new election to fix the mess. Four local people were arrested in the mail in
Vote scam. Mr. Erb, our pragmatic professor refuted my words and gave as proof an article from nj.com that
Was written by a fellow named Jonathan D. Salant. I looked up this man and read his history, from his own
Facebook page and other biographical sources. He has been a left wing journalist for many years and has
Most often written articles for The Huffington Post, the Washington Post, Bloomberg news and AP news. He
Is not a fan of the Republicans!!! Hmmmm??? Folks, which article do you think is more believable?? Which
Article may be spending lies and conspiracies??? Maybe I should be quiet and let Me. Erb prove my points for
me. Thanks Scott, keep up the good work. And by the way, I hope you don’t treat your students this way…you
Know, telling them that their opinions and/or research are lies and conspiracies.
From away, Washington state Gregoire D, Rossi R. It is true, could be 2003 or 2005. I believe it was 2004. Should be able to look up Rossi, Gregoire. I haven’t looked it up, but I voted in that election. The missing ballots came from King county, a strong hold for the dems and most populous. Sorry you had to wait so long for the answer, but I don’t read the bulldog every day.
Thanks, Been There. Can you share the link to that story? What I can’t find is any info about this part of your post: “…..(30,000 ballots were found in a trunk of one of the ballot collectors car.) I’ve looked online and found something about the governor’s race but nothing about 30,000 missing ballots.
Typical, Mike engages in argumentum ad hominem, a logical fallacy.
Look, do you deny Trump constantly lies? With Steve Bannon’s arrest about twenty of his associates have now been arrested – the Trump administration can be called the “Trump Swamp” I believe. He’s destroying the Republican party, and if you look at his policies and actions, he is NOT conservative, and not Republican. He is defying core American values.
As for the parties – Mitt Romney was a quality candidate, I would have been satisfied if he won in 2012. I always liked John McCain. I was defending George W. Bush – I disagreed with Iraq, but in his second term he was a very good President. Get your head out of the “blue vs red” silliness. That’s another of Trump’s errors, he hasn’t tried to be a President to everyone, he engages in constantly “my side good, their side bad” rhetoric, and your posts show that same kind of sad rhetoric. Wake up! This isn’t liberal vs. conservative. You can’t argue against a point by saying the writer is “liberal” just like you wouldn’t want me to object to a valid point by saying “the writer is conservative.” Look at the facts. Recognize that almost all liberals and conservatives share a most core vaues, but differ on interpreting the issues and how to apply those values. We come together for the good of the country, the country is better because there are differences of opinion.
Please at least consider that Trump may be a con man, and his biggest victim is the Republican party which could be facing a devastating defeat (after a bad 2018) this year NOT because Americans don’t agree with Republican values, but because the President is incompetent, divisive, and has no values.
From away, it was 2004, I was way off on the ballots. The way it played out 1st count Rossi wins by 130 votes, 2nd count Rossi by 250+ votes, 3rd count 756 ballots from King county found. Over 180 deemed invalid because of some were felons, and the rest dead. So it left 500+ ballots that put Gregoire ahead, she was over 250 behind. Pretty much means there were no votes for Rossi in that batch unless it was felons or dead people . Washington is a mail in only state, run heavily by democrats. Like I said before absentee ballots and voting booths only.
Scott even if Trump is all the things you claim, which I don’t believe half of what he is accusing of should we vote for a obviously mentally impaired Biden? What about Harris who’s parents aren’t Americans and I haven’t been able to find proof she was born in America. So she isn’t even capable of being President if that is the case which leaves us with Nancy Pelosi and her fancy ice cream to be the President shortly after January if Trump doesn’t win in November. I will assume you are ok with the woman that told people to eat ice cream instead of going back to work when she refused to convene congress after crona hit. Also she is the same woman that went on break instead of working across the aisle to pass the last crona relief bill and then had a melt down when Trump signed his executive orders after warning them for more than a week that is what he would do. The hypocrisy is alive and well on the left right now and that is exactly why Trump was voted in his first term and they haven’t done much to help themselves since 2018 with all the wasteful spending on trials and impeachment’s that got them nowhere. Is Trump perfect NO he is FAR from perfect but again he is the better candidate of the two !!! I will stick with the guy that doesn’t want to infringe on any of my rights let alone force me too buy some joke of a healthcare system like the last administration did. Trump 2020 !!!!
Scott,
” my side good, their side bad”
Yes Trump says that.
Are you seriously saying the other side doesn’t do that?
We Have,,The Clintons,,,The Bidens, that’s enough right there.
What’s the difference besides the facts you “choose”.
Orange Man Bad,
Orange Lady Bad Too.
I’m not even sticking up for Trump.
I’m saying THEY ALL DO IT!!
You know this, you just Hate Trump bad enough to make you misbehave..
C’MON MAN!!
Step Away From The Weapon.
Everything Is Beautiful.
Scott Asks,
“Please at least consider that Trump may be a con man,”
Ok Scott that’s fair, Lets make a deal!
I’ll ask you to please Please consider that Biden may be another corrupt old Democrat and Kamala Harris only aspires to be the same thing.
I would say it’s all true about all of them.
But you don’t say that.
You’d have done credibility if you EVER criticized a Democrat.
You HONESTLY sound like a CNN employee who wants to keep their job.
Or just another Partisan Political College Professor.
Both very large groups so there’s safety in numbers.
CMON MAN!!
Think for yourself.
Good Luck Preaching To The Choir In Your “Classes”.
Everything Is Beautiful.
This is too good to pass up!! Professor Erb says that i am am guilty of “argumentum ad hominem”. I had
to look that one up (no Phd in my name). It means “the speaker attacks the character, motive, or other
attribute of the other person making an argument rather than attacking the substance of the argument
itself”. Ok. Let’s see who really does this!! I spent about 30 minutes reading back thru some recent news
and opinion articles on the Bulldog. I found 3 that had alot of feed back. I will use SE as abbreviation for
Scott and MD for me. First article “RSU9 board approves district wide Hybrid learning”. This had 95 total
responses, 11 from SE and 0 from MD. In his 11 responses SE wrote the following words/phrases to the
other folks who had differing opinions. “misguided”, “so wrong”, “misinformed”, “unreasonabe”, “in denial”
“dancing and weaving”, “your little world of denial”, “fancy rhetoric and weird claims”, “you’re objectively
wrong”, “too stubborn to admit”, “bobbing and weaving”, “saying nothing of import”, “alternate theories”,
and my #1 pick “you have closed your eyes, you think you’re right and you’re so stubborn that you’ll
ignore reality in order to hold on to that delusion”. He wrote all those things in 11 postings on that one
Bulldog article. I wrote nothing. In the 2nd article “Executive Orders and the future of Social Security”
SE had 3 postings, MD had 0. In this article, SE had 8 and i have 6 including this one, but one of mine
is a repost and one is a spelling correction, -2 =4. Total postings in the 3 recent articles, SE 22, MD 4.
Who is “argumentum ad hominem” ??? Scott, this is too easy. Let me use a catch phrase of your hero,
“Come on Man”
Mike, I’m talking about your rejection of the article about New Jersey, you simply said the author wrote for liberal papers so you didn’t take him seriously. That was the ad hominem argument. I was not saying you were using it on me.
I appreciate that you take my posts so seriously. But a good discussion would be better than playing silly games. I don’t see any actual response to anything of content.
While everyone here says voting in person with an I’d is the best way, help me find a place where that happens in Maine. I have lived in Maine since 2011 and I have never been asked to prove who I am. When I lived in Maryland, I needed to show my voter ID card but it had no picture and no one asked me to validate my signature on the card. In Massachusetts, my experience was the same as in Maine. I have been voting since 1985 and I have never been asked to prove I am who I say I am.
Why do people in this space praise something that does not exist in Maine? There are many ways to cheat any system.
It seems Republicans scream the most about fraud but the NC house election in 2018 was invalidated because of fraud and it was a republican who had benefitted from the fraud(he was not involved but a campaign worker, with past convictions for fraud was)
To me, the biggest threat to election security is Russia. All US government intelligence agencies say the same. The Senate said the same this week in a Bi-partisan report. Only the current President denies this. Maybe the mail in/absentee noise is cover so Putin can meddle again.
Also, please tell me what towns in Maine check IDs at the poling place. I always bring my license and it collects dust.
Steve I carry my ID to the polls for the sole purpose of verifying who I am incase they say I have already voted that day, not that I’ve ever needed too. I do know some people that have had that problem around here. I’m not familiar with the 2018 case you are talking about but I am aware of Patterson NJ and the 4 Democrats that have been arrested and they are now having to deal with a redo and hopefully it’s not by mass mailers. As for Russia I would like a link to read that report because I haven’t seen that news story anywhere yet. I don’t remember the President denying any Russia involvement in the election he has however stuck to the fact that he had no collusion with them and to date there is zero proof he had any connection. Yes some of his people had some connection for various things but I don’t remember any of them being arrested for actual election shenanigans.
I honestly believe our biggest threat to our “democracy” aka constitutional republic is the media and the power hungry criminals that have been so very vocal about how a man with no political experience until 4 yrs ago is the sole cause of every problem in this country that are actually decades old issues. Ya know like the guy that has been in politics for nearly 50 years and all of a sudden knows how to fix all our problems we just have to vote him in as President so he can get it done. Cmon man !!!! If you don’t vote for me you aint black. Or you know, you know the thing I can’t remember. I won’t start on his kid or the #metoo allegations that were ignored by the same people that protested the current administration over a weak allegation compared to a very specific recollection of what happened to the woman. I will stick with the guy that shows the American people daily (the ones that want to pay attention) how much corruption is in our government yet we aren’t the “woke” ones.